I got up early this morning to take part in a BBC Radio Newcastle debate on the Stacey Soloman vilification and as I sat waiting for the call, I got one from BBC Radio Tees asking me to go on straight after and then Radio Sheffield who wanted me immediately after that.
The Newcastle interview was a bit of a scrap. I was opposite Ailsa Rutter from Fresh Smoke free North East. She maintained that smoking killed babies and there was a huge mound of evidence to prove it but I scrutinised that claim by asking what causes the cot deaths in the 210 non smokers' babies each year and why were only 40 smoker parents singled out for blame?
I also pointed out that Sudden Infant Death Syndrome by definition means that that even after autopsy there is no known cause found so there is nothing to say that smoking causes cot deaths except for a belief that it does.
Ms Rutter didn't like that and mentioned all the 4000 chemicals in tobacco and I pointed out that they were on a DoH approved list. She lost it and said that simply wasn't true even though I offered to send her the link and then we started to scrap, the show needed to move to the news and I was suddenly cut off without knowing why so I rang back and asked if it had been accidental or intentional.
I was told that they simply ran out of time and Ms Rutter had slammed the phone down because she was not able to respond to the points I'd made.
I'd like to thank GasDoc for his comment in the previous post because this gave me the courage and authority to rebuff Ms Rutter's claim that ALL doctors agree that smoking kills all babies. I said the one size fits all approach is dangerous and doctors do actually sometimes advise women who have smoked for years to cut down rather than quit completely because in their individual circumstances, quitting could do more harm.
Radio Tees was far more civilised with a PR marketing lady and a male property developer from the North East. I found there was a lot of tolerance there and a willingness to hear both sides of the story.
When the question of child abuse came up, I said that my children don't hold it against me that I smoked during their pregnancies and they would be very upset to hear their loving caring mum branded in this way.
Even one young mum who quit smoking, drinking and everything for her pregnancy said to base a woman's ability to be a good mum on the fact that she enjoys a couple of cigs a day while pregnant was wrong given that motherhood is for a lifetime - not just for pregnancy - and mums who smoke are as good as any other.
The PR lady said she felt it over the top to accuse pregnant mums of child abuse but maybe the term was more relevant for those who smoke in cars or homes. I pointed out that the BMA lied about it's 23 x figure, got caught out and debunked, but not one news organisation carried its retraction after putting out the initial false scaremongering report.
I also said that 90% of parents won't smoke in the car or home when kids are present and we didn't need the jackboot of law affecting us all to get to the few who don't. I suggested that a persuasive campaign is better if they want to reach them but it would have to be something that includes and involves them voluntarily rather that public vilification which just causes anger and a desire to dig the heels in and smoke more.
The Radio Sheffield slot went well too with me being able to point out how Govt lobbies Govt through the smoke free "charities" and how they are not "charities" as the public generally recognises them but more like political lobby front groups with an incestuous relationship with Govt which is coercing people with public bullying into falling in line with their ideology.
I also said that we were consumers who did not deserve being treated in this way given that the product was legal and we pay a hell of a lot of tax on it. I said denormalisation might seem Ok to stop the product from being the cool, glamorous activity of old, but they should remember that behind it are real people. They should not be targeted in this way because the perception of smoking had changed in just five short years with the smoking ban which was about victimising smokers to enforce this change of perception.
I also made my point known about how dangerous it is to equate heroin with smoking because it gives the wrong message, as one who once sat on the committee of a real charity group that supported friends and family of drug users including many heroin addicts.
I came on last and when I'd finished my bit the radio presenter thanked me and said it was a great comment to finish on.
A very busy morning. I hope I represented your views as an ordinary pissed off consumer well.
I have no idea if any of these interviews are available via a listen again facility but if you''re interested, I'm sure you could find out.
As for me, well, I'm really not too keen on the sound of my own voice.
UPDATE 3.40pm I've just finished an interview for BBC Radio Birmingham on 50 years since the first health warnings came out.
They played recordings of interviews taken in 1962 when 70% of people smoked and the reasons people didn't quit then are not a lot different to why we still smoke today - something will get you in the end and one thing we know about life is that it's terminal. We will all die at some point so it's about making the most of being alive and some us find an enjoyment of tobacco helps with that.
I pointed out that with the wealth of information and studies done since 1962, we are now able to look for ourselves to get a balanced view of the risks. I said that we can't trust the tobacco companies and we can't trust what is now an anti-smoker industry pushing constant propaganda in our faces which does have a very nasty and spiteful feel to it.
As I waited to go an air, a lady was already talking about another issue and just happened to mention that her mum died of lung cancer. She was asked, due to the discussion that was to follow, if her mum was a smoker and she no. Both her parents were lifelong non-smokers even though she herself did smoke.
I pointed out that there is a genetic factor involved when smoking triggers cancer and that if cancer or heart disease is in the family then don't take the risk. But for people like me, lifelong smokers, there was a study that suggested it is more harmful to quit.
The presenter seemed in disbelief. I told him it was featured in the Guardian at the time. He said the Guardian probably covered it but would not have supported it. I asked if a newspaper's role was to scrutinise and offer balanced information so that people could decide for themselves based on their own lives and experiences - or was it just to promote Govt propaganda. He didn't answer.
I guess time was running out and he wanted to mention the Birmingham East PCT graphically violent video that I complained about with David Atherton.
We got it removed from the web because the gory viral that showed a smoker getting beaten to death gave the wrong message to extremists. I pointed out that this was a disturbing social factor that appeared to have arisen solely as a result of the ban and that there had been many cases of smokers getting killed or beaten by extremists, and cases where anti-smokers and smokers, who used to get on OK before the ban, were suddenly attacking each other.
After the presenter said he understood I was fighting for my right to smoke but ... I cut in and corrected him. I fight simply for my right to be left alone without harassment from anyone - even Govt.
So far, so good, the phone hasn't rung again.